About C&C

C&C conducts its interviews in person. Despite all the fabulous technology available these days, Lou Lesko and Kimi Recor feel interpersonal connection is best when talking to someone about their creative life. Sometimes the old ways are best. So we saddle up with our gear and head to points all over the globe to bring you wonderful stories told by fabulous people who are creative for a living.

That said, we’re not luddites either. The minisodes are typically recorded with Kimi in Berlin, Germany, and Lou at C&C HQ in Lucas Valley, San Rafael, California.

Claire Duncan is C&C’s producer, guru, and visionary. A native Californian who fell into producing owing to a natural instinct for the entertainment industry and a singular patience to manage Kimi and Lou.

So, how did we get here.

March 2017, The bar at The Buckeye Roadhouse, Marin County, California. Singer Kimi Recor and photographer/writer/director Lou Lesko were cracking each other up yammering about the creative industries while making their way through a bottle of red.

Apparently they made a few people around them laugh as well. An eavesdropper in a nearby booth enjoying the spectacle and suggested we put our bar blather on the air in the form of a podcast.

So they did.

They called it Chaos and Creativity, a mildly solipsistic continuation of their bar stool conversation. The podcast thrived for a few years then went on hiatus until November 2024 when the idea of personal interviews was born.

Interview episodes drop the first Thursday of each month, with Kimi and Lou offering a minisode usually about the state of the industry about two weeks later.

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